hot knowledge
humid hot
mississippi river rainforest hot
feelings
sizzle and sigh
like
cicadas
but you know that
fame is a map with no roads
heat lightening
strobe
southern sky
it's all a lover's spat
poetry yearning like
the soft part of the groin
to be the language of
eros
erobix
lover's yield into long
disputes long silent disputes
so disbelieving are our minds
when beholding failure
curiosity mendacity audacity
propensities for vituperation
things things these things and more
like gas
cybertrainwreckrodeo
all words like the heat on
the summer street
all eyes like butterflies
all poetry like one long begging for forgiveness
you say you're funny
you make your dances
then the eye casts back
what is the sound of the mind in tears
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"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
Sort of condemns most belle-lettrists into Perdido, does it not? Not to say republicans (especially political ones, who lied about WMDs, created false pretenses for war). Yr first lesson in applied Xtian ethics, paddy
we hang with the one
who forgives forbears
loves us far before
we can know him
even perdition is gloried saved
enlightened
bearing false witness is a very existential command dealing with legal disputes in communities
poets on the other hand are expected to give way to flights of fantasy flights of imagining flights of verbiage - if salvation depended on language we would be phuqqt
heal wounds
don't salt n pepper them
yo
maybe none of it needs be taken too seriously
bearing false witness is a very existential command dealing with legal disputes in communities
Important point, sir though I think it applied to ordinary speech as well. And there are other admonitions in the Good Book against mendacity--also recall Augustine's De Mendacio (Aristotle also warns his students against lying...at least to other citizens...). St. Augie considered lying--as in telling deliberate falsehoods-- a cardinal sin--a point lost on many evangelicals types (why, the just need only faith. so be strong in yr sins, per Luther's peasant-soldier theology, also upheld for most part by Calvin, Vichy leader circa 1550)
I was jesting- mostly- with point on belle-lettres, tho again traditional catholics were not always in favor of literature. And doesn't Augustine somewhere applaud the closing of roman theatres? Yo se pienso.
Scuzi rant
as far back as the 7th century there is evidence that community theatres existed and people quite freely worked up dramas based on gospel texts - and they staged these in corners of churches and near the transepts and in the alcoves - they used musical texts that today we sing as gregorian chants - amongst the literate of the midddle ages dddddd most all of whom were either monks or rabbis
-there existed a rather fervent expenditure of energies in the areas of purely creative writing - there was a sort of standing competition regarding who could write the most eloquent rhymed treatise on the SONG OF SOLOMON
- nah
we love our poets we love our dante we love the writers we love love love those people bocaccio anselm boethius
the story of prester john gives one a little pause but that guy was haunted
one could argue that opera was the distillation of troubadour music - brought to the provinces by bards who doubled as church musicians almost all of them - they were brought into the nobility living rooms and provided for extensive entertainments - these guys were often in the hire of city churches as well - there was a movement in the 17th century to present opera on sunday as a way to distract people from church stuff and provide equal amusement
any way from as early as 11th century musicians were taught both the sonata eglise and the sonata camera modes of playing
catholic culture always nurtured what was best in beauty
why that ever meant burning heretics i don't know but hey
we can't understand everything
j
do you know the work
CARMINA BURANA
carl orff
evidence that monks enjoyed
more than just embellishing manuscripts
there's a whole stack of unexplored literature which shows that theatre productions for pure enjoyment were part of religious life - it seems especially women's houses fostered a sort of playful attitude toward theatre
therese of lisieux wrote plays
hildegaard of bingen too
the catholic church is certainly sexually demented
but we do support the arts
hey mabel get me another beer
caio
jh
as far back as the 7th century there is evidence that community theatres existed and people quite freely worked up dramas based on gospel texts - and they staged these in corners of churches and near the transepts and in the alcoves - they used musical texts that today we sing as gregorian chants - amongst the literate of the midddle ages dddddd most all of whom were either monks or rabbis
-there existed a rather fervent expenditure of energies in the areas of purely creative writing - there was a sort of standing competition regarding who could write the most eloquent rhymed treatise on the SONG OF SOLOMON
- nah
we love our poets we love our dante we love the writers we love love love those people bocaccio anselm boethius
the story of prester john gives one a little pause but that guy was haunted
one could argue that opera was the distillation of troubadour music - brought to the provinces by bards who doubled as church musicians almost all of them - they were brought into the nobility living rooms and provided for extensive entertainments - these guys were often in the hire of city churches as well - there was a movement in the 17th century to present opera on sunday as a way to distract people from church stuff and provide equal amusement
any way from as early as 11th century musicians were taught both the sonata eglise and the sonata camera modes of playing
catholic culture always nurtured what was best in beauty
why that ever meant burning heretics i don't know but hey
we can't understand everything
j
do you know the work
CARMINA BURANA
carl orff
evidence that monks enjoyed
more than just embellishing manuscripts
there's a whole stack of unexplored literature which shows that theatre productions for pure enjoyment were part of religious life - it seems especially women's houses fostered a sort of playful attitude toward theatre
therese of lisieux wrote plays
hildegaard of bingen too
the catholic church is certainly sexually demented
but we do support the arts
hey mabel get me another beer
caio
jh
wow nice triple comment jh
but more to the point: great poem
intriguing
touching
actually I agree with Dr.Sally re assessment of your writing, jh--reminds me of Ed Dorn a bit (the dozen or so pages I read...you don't wear one of those fancy vests with red lining, hustle sorority gals, scream at the reds, and swill bourbon tho do you?..heh. I tried to add Ed's class once but he was a hip hepcat and all booked up)
Classic catholic-lit stuff I have perused only slightly--a few tales from Decameron...plague time are quite entertaining. Priests had a lot a work those days...well, at least spirit work. And Dante's Inferno! a great joke book (the hyena who dances on graves, or something as Nietzsche said). But usually I read like post 1792 Lit. Even yanks. EA Poe. Hellville. Conrad
I recall a rocker's version of Carmina Burana. But not much . That said, I still think there is an issue re the status of belle-lettres. Certainly for...christians. A great like Conrad, OK. But what about like the semi-insane people featured daily at Silliman etc? Not sure.
j
for what it's worth i think what silliman has going on over on his blog is a great thing
he's found a way to sustain long conversations about poetry
which in a world such as ours
is no mean feat
he may be communist he may be humanist he may be atheist he may be surrealist he may be marxist for all i know and hardly would i ever care what his political proclivities are
i don't know the guy
other than to follow his blog now and again
so
he's doing a pretty classy thing
as far as i can tell
and the people who tap into his schtick are of an interesting and broad spectrum of human color and sentiment
as for summer flesh and air
i'm spending the weekend playing
bluegrass music
yeehaw
jh
jh
perusing S-man's site a year or so ago, I ...thought along those lines (with reservations)--and read S-man as sort of upholding beat-counterculture ...whatever, with a bit of traditional belle-lettres.
The beat kitties are not my fave scribblers, however-- tho' ...Kerouac's prose at least entertained a bit back in the day. Or Japhy Ryder. etc. (Snyder's not a guru but once sort of enjoyed his sierra songs...for sentimental reasons perhaps, like having stood on the flanks of Mt Ritter once)
Yet...note how S-man for all his supposed leftist jive routinely praises academics and "professional" literary types.along with the BeatCo figures (hardly role models for that matter). That S-man posts some buddhist...manga doesn't change that (im of the opinion eastern religions however intriguing do more intellecual damage than good. And the kids aren't reading..Schopenhauer or...the Dhammapada, but some zen of flower arranging, or dharmic banjo pickin' or somethin'. :) )
And do you see like Ed Dorn appear on S-man, or ...maybe a Ken Kesey, or even Bukowski? Nyet. Nothing slightly edgy or...manly appears. But you do see Jessica Smiths, and even conservatives (like Kirby O). In fact I recall S-man praising the Iraqi war at one point, and siding with the likes of Hitchens. He's...flim flam. His lists provide some information, but it's just the usual bounce (from other sources). But it's a free country sort of--and closing his comments--pretty J-Edgarish, given his little monopoly of lit-blogs. Dissent's important, jh. Were the S-mans' and Kirby O's to take over, there would be no discussions or arguments, but just like rubber stamping the GOPers.
Scuzi rant--. But it might be recalled...both the previous Pope, and the current pope (Benny!) opposed the Iraqi war, and BushCo, and even...American imperialism, in a sense. Seems sort of important, sir, really--especially given the usual catholic bashing seen on many blogs (including Silliman's...and Kirby O, who routinely insults catholics ...or any non-GOPers).
Bastante
VERY good poem, erobics, a brilliant thing.
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