Monday, October 11, 2010

epistemology triumphs

On The Way Back From Pethcos

on the way back from Pethcos
it came to us

cities we could almost remember
it came with the rain
& our walking

with wind that cracked our faces

heroically
in the morning of our walking
we discovered our other country

by Ed Baker

... you know for a bon fide art thief i do not steal a lot of poetry
but i think it is important to note
that art stealing is the only legitimate test of literary merit anymore
thus i present this poem

7 comments:

sally said...

i admire your taste in thievery

should i know something about pethcos?
i googled it and all i found
were other links to this poem

(WV: proses)

jh said...

seems i commented on this blog this morning
maybe not

i've surmised sally that pethcos
is pronounced as it sounds but spelled in the dialect of rhodes
pefkos - it's a village on the island

pefkos greece gets some google cred

i'm suffering from blog ennui

but great to read your words here

cha cha cha

jh

sally said...

ok i found ed's explanation
over on kirby's blog
i haven't been over there
for ages

J said...

Wilkoommen,jh!

Interesting lines. Pethcos...sort of like Broadway jargon for...Pecos? Pethcos Bill, dah-lieeng.


Or perhaps it refers to the practice of some catholic brothers who sneak over to rightist fundamentalist blogs and post a few pleasantries whilst overlooking their host's racism, sexism, logical fallacies, tastelessness, and inveterate catholic bashing.

(hi Doc Sally)

J said...

Scuiz. It is Pefkos, an isle in the Aegean near Rhodes. Πεύκος

small latin & espagnol, much less greek here--I don't get the ύ to F. (F ...germanic all the way). OK, Upsilon...a vowel in greek, right... like u, or y (i griega). Or somethin'. Only much later did it become dipthong v or f (per the perfidious ..wiki)

jh said...

my take on kirberator
is he knows the catholics have been
doing surrealism for ages since before heironymous bosch
and he's trying to understand how he might create a similar tendency without reinventing the wheel\he hasn't gone so far as to speak words of admiration for the pope's rosey shoes but i get the sense that he is truly amazed that a guy in rome would actually dance out into public view with those shoes
and he is lutheran enough to beleive in the ultimate understatement so he says nothing

i think if i had kids and had the responsibility for raising them
i'd maintain a conservative sort of politics...were i in an academic setting i think i might be inclined to argue for an ancient conservatism one that would really bedraggle leftists colleagues

i don't know
i know some right wing republican conservative folks and they are good folks...real lefty folks get a little freaky even for them...and i can empathize

i think i would place kirby in the progressive conservative box one like theodore roosevelt
a kind of a cross between teddy and steve martin and luther

time for me to head for bed
i may look at the water
i may swim yet before
midnight

jh

J said...

The authentic catholic--and christian--who understands the meaning of the New Testament could not be a right-wing, jingoistic, pro-capitalist Falwellian biblethumper, jh. JC may not have been a "leftist' but the man who spoke the Sermon on the Mount certainly was no Falwell, or Gingrich type, or Blend Geck or Guiliani, etc. He'd probably hang with Fidel Castro instead of Kissinger, IMHO. :]

Really most sane humans (even of races a KO doesn't care for) value the obvious moralistic aspects of conservatism--protect kids, create a safe haven, teach restraint of a sort, even the Golden Rule so-called--most reasonable people agree with that--even Democrats. Or some. Nancy Pelosi is not Mao.

But they don't necessarily agree that Wall Street's good, or Walmart/Google/Microsoft, et al. Hasn't even the Pope said some things about American commercialism, business, etc. JP II did.

Here's one of Kirbster's recent rants:

Reason says that the business of America is business, as Calvin Coolidge put it. I think this is the rational foundation of the Tea Party, which traces its ancestry back to Locke, Madison, Jefferson, and up through Friedrich Hayek, and finds its voice in Glenn Beck, in Ann Coulter, and in other flawed characters such as Sarah Palin, and Christine O'Donnell.

Reason doesn't say that--KO does. What would JC say about Railroad barons, jh? For that matter, KO betrays his ignorance of those whig daddies (some pals of catholics there): Locke detested the Tories, the aristocrats, and...the divine right of Kings. He opposed the magistrates (unlike fundies who insist on Romans 13). Jefferson was hardly different, and not a conservative--he was against Hamilton's finance schemes,the Supreme Court (no standing court was the original view) opposed to privilege and ...a Deist. He'd vomit at being associated with Coulter or Beck. I'd say someone like Gary Hart upholds Jeffersonian tradition, in some degree--even Kerry (Im sure that wd offend moralists of all types). Or Ezra Pound--authentic Jeffersonian (most of the time...but even Pound's supposed conservatism was opposed to ...usury of all types).

The tea Party nuts may use Jefferson and Paine as justification when neither Jeff. or Paine were conservative-libertarians in the sense of the yokels , or that bellowing buffoon Beck.

(And I doubt El Papa cares too much for the Locke/Jeffersonian tradition, such as it is. Or...Beck and the LDS)